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Last Post 08/20/2005 5:09 PM by  PylonSi
Spinning out + trying to save it = bad.
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PaulPro
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08/16/2005 9:24 AM
    This Sunday (Aug. 14) event went quite bad for me - somehow I would always lose my concetration after the first slalom, then get all over the place in each and every corner afterwards...fighting Miata spin tendencies to the bitter end.

    Then, at home, I found this in one of the autocross blogs I'm subscribed to:
    [QUOTE] It's supposed to be next to impossible at an autocross, at moderate speeds, on a nice smooth runway surface. NO ONE rolls over their car at an AutoX.

    Someone did today at our event.

    I was working around our timing truck, as Control for receiving cone calls and coordinating all the corner workers, when I get a very calm call from corner #2, "e;We just had a car rollover in corner 2."e;
    [/QUOTE]Here's a link to the full story: [url="http://www.livejournal.com/community/autocrossers/62919.html"]autocrossers @ Livejournal.com[/URL]

    Reminder to myself - both feet in after FIRST big slide, not THIRD one in the pendulum motion...
    Lynn
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    08/16/2005 12:30 PM
    Not only both feet in but push the brake pedal hard. A ZR-1 Corvette went into a lake at a Northern Jersey Region autocross at Engishtown Raceway last week. The driver was very experienced in other cars and had driven the vette in a few other events.

    The driver feels he didn't push hard on the brake but just had his foot resting on it because he was taught to save tires and not flat spot them. If the car is repairable, the cost will be many times the cost of a set of tires.
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    08/17/2005 1:41 AM
    I've felt a similar experience after the initial burst of acceleration and first series of cones.
    I believe it to be a result of what I think physicians call an "e;adreniline dump"e;, resulting in a lack of concentration towards the job at hand.
    At this point, I have so far found it helpful to look, not at the next corner, but "e;to, and through"e; it, at the following series.
    Even though I am a total novice, I have already found this to help funnel the "e;rush"e; into a more focused run at those orange bastards!
    PylonSi
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    08/20/2005 4:20 PM
    Hey, it's the song that's topped the Evolution school's charts since the beginning! "e;Look ahead!"e; To keep from doing what you're doing, which is driving reactively and 2 feet from your car's nose, you must THINK. Think about what the car's doing, about what your inputs are doing, you need to give your brain time to comprehend what's going on if you're going to make any progress when you're in trouble in a turn, and that means thinking ahead. The easiest way to force yourself to think ahead, and take your focus out of the feelings of the moment and into the future, is to look ahead.

    Oh yeah, and both feet in is good if it comes upon you unexpectedly. If you know you're going to slide the car, eh, whatever, have fun.
    PaulPro
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    08/20/2005 4:57 PM
    Thanks Rich :)

    The difference between knowing to look ahead and looking ahead is, well, looking ahead :)
    I spent a lot of time thinking over my runs, turn by turn. Figured out my failure was a result of many faults:
    1. No experience with Miata on partially wet pavement. I was way too fast starting my 1st run and killed my confidence for rest of the day.

    2. No confidence => paying too much attention to the 1st slalom => not looking ahead => screwing up the problematic corner entry.

    2. Concentrating at the wrong spot in that problematic corner (next corner entry rather than exit) => applying too much power too early => big slide.

    3. After saving that slide I had too much andrenaline in my blood to switch back to driving mode => driving too fast and not looking ahead => sliding too much in every corner afterwards => spinning in the left-right serie before the finish (with 2 pendulum motion slides caused by my attempts to countersteer).

    Then repeating this for 3 times (give or take).

    However the aim of the original message was to show that sometimes trying to save an inevitable spin could result in more than lost time or DNF. Next time I'll have to keep that in mind.
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    08/20/2005 5:09 PM
    If you watch my in-car video, you'll see a periodic self-administered whack to the head, usually after a mistake. I'm usually able to find time after any turn, even on a tight autocross course, that allows me to give myself a quick thump in the head if necessary. Finding these spots on the course, called "e;whacking points,"e; can be easily as important as finding your braking, track-out or turn-in points during your course walk. :p
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