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Last Post 06/17/2005 11:24 PM by  irish44j
Any FWD autoxers?
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Nimble Neon
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06/13/2005 11:45 AM
To tell you the truth, being new to the sport, I really don't have much advice, but I've been on practice driving lots and watched what my friends do in their RWD or AWD cars. I can't explain it, but I watch what they do, and just mimic it. I guess you can say that my brain is telling me that if my friend can do it, so can I. FWD, RWD, AWD, the track I practice on isn't large enough to make enough of a speed difference, and my suspension and tires are a huge compensator, so basically what all this blabbering amounts to is that you just have to think to yourself that if that guy in the Miata can run a 45.696, I can run a 45.696 . . . .or better . . . .

That's my time.

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06/13/2005 6:38 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Carl:
[url="http://www.autocross.com/evolution/"]Evolution Autocross school[/URL]

sign up for an evolution school. they will give you a few tips on autocrossing a FWD car. [/QUOTE]um, is there a st. louis one?

oh i guess he's in california, well it looks like theres one this coming weekend for you. Well, what about here?
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06/13/2005 7:27 PM
I don't think there is one coming this year? I hope I'm wrong, as I have yet to take an Evo school yet and would really like to.

You might have to drive to a nearby region and do it.
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06/14/2005 6:06 PM
the key to autocrossing a FWD car...make sure it weighs at least 3200 lbs :)

Seriously though, depending on how heavy your car is you will drive it differently. For example, it's almost impossible to lose the tail end on the maxima, so I can power through turns full-on until it slides, with little regard to the rear end. FWD cars can do reasonably well, even large ones, depending on the course. Our last event the two maximas in attendance were putting up similar times to most of the Evo7s and M3s....

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06/14/2005 11:34 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by irish44j:
FWD cars can do reasonably well, even large ones, depending on the course. Our last event the two maximas in attendance were putting up similar times to most of the Evo7s and M3s....

[/QUOTE]Who was driving what though. I recall some civic beating Evos and M3s here a little while back...
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06/15/2005 11:10 AM
Buy a HUUUUGE rear sway bar and have plenty of lift off oversteer!!!!
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06/15/2005 1:28 PM
Here’s an interesting, but minute set of stats.
These are the index points cars for event 1 and 2 in StL.
Infer as you will!

1. AWD
2. RWD
3. FWD
4. AWD
5. AWD
6. FWD
7. RWD
8. RWD
9. AWD
10. AWD
11. FWD
12. AWD
13. FWD

Total event 1
A – 6
F – 4
R – 3

1. AWD
2. RWD
3. FWD
4. RWD
5. AWD
6. FWD
7. RWD
8. RWD
9. RWD
10. AWD
11. RWD
12. AWD
13. FWD

Total event 2
A - 4
F - 3
R - 6

Total of both events
A – 10
F – 7
R – 9
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06/15/2005 1:45 PM
Well, I'd bet that if you took those stats in 1987, there wouldn't be ANY awd cars listed, which is proof that those DAMN SUBARU's are taking over and ruining the SCCA. They are ruining EVERYTHING. First ESP, now BSP and AS...I'm sure other classes are soon to come.

Frickin' Subaru's are ruining everything, I tell ya'. Why, they don't even NEED drivers, just someone to sit there and read poetry while the car is on course so no one figures it out...

:) :)

DaveW

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06/15/2005 1:49 PM
So Dave how do you really feel
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06/15/2005 2:10 PM
hey James, maybe we should throw some slicks on the car and go dominate CP :)
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06/15/2005 2:39 PM
[QUOTE]hey James, maybe we should throw some slicks on the car and go dominate CP
[/QUOTE]Slicks? WHy would you need those? Throw on some 185/80-13 Sears Roadhandler 80,000 mile tires and your fancy, dancy awd will still win.

Subaru's are the death of SCCA.

DaveW

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06/15/2005 2:54 PM
well, we have to make it look like we're actually [i]trying[/i] or people may start to realize that Winchy has been right all along before we can completely consolidate control.

but perhaps i've said too much....
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06/15/2005 2:54 PM
Event 3
1. RWD
2. AWD
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06/15/2005 2:55 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by White Tornado:
Event 3
1. RWD
2. AWD [/QUOTE]i won't be running RWD at Event 3, Chris :rolleyes:
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06/15/2005 3:38 PM
[QUOTE]but perhaps i've said too much....
[/QUOTE]Then that explains the guys with guns at the front door. . .

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06/15/2005 3:42 PM
i thought those were just your fellow VRWC members :)

we use lazers. JDM sweet lazers.
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06/15/2005 3:47 PM
[QUOTE]i thought those were just your fellow VRWC members [/QUOTE]Those guys with guns are INSIDE.

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06/15/2005 4:44 PM
Glad that I could stimulate some conversation gentlemen…and me driving around in a stupid old front wheel drive – DOH!

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Wanna bet that of all cars participating the FWD count exceeds AWD and RWD numbers?? Where are Grainger and Wise when you need them (but, not in GS)??! hehe
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06/16/2005 12:52 AM
I've definately noticed a large amount of AWD vehicles, more noteably Suburus, at the tracks when I go watch, but as futile and naieve as it may sound, I'm still a firm beliver in what I was tough when I first got into Autocross, and that is that "e;It's not what you drive, but how you drive it."e;

I'm pretty sure I had a few of you finishing that sentence with me. :-)

-Dave
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06/17/2005 11:24 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Not jeyping:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by irish44j:
FWD cars can do reasonably well, even large ones, depending on the course. Our last event the two maximas in attendance were putting up similar times to most of the Evo7s and M3s....

[/QUOTE]Who was driving what though. I recall some civic beating Evos and M3s here a little while back... [/QUOTE]well obviously driving skills have alot to do with it, along with how hard you're willing to push it. I'll push my max to the limit, plus I have many years of driving under my belt in places like Italy and the Philippines, where street driving is kind of like autocross...while alot of these guys in Evos and STIs are 17-year old kids with rich parents (at least in this area), who have limited driving or "e;car-building"e; experience (i.e. setting up suspension, tire pressures, etc)....

I'm not saying my car is faster or handles better than an M3 or Evo (it's not), I'm just saying that in the hands of a capable driver, a less capable car can hold its own.
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