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Last Post 06/17/2005 11:24 PM by  irish44j
Any FWD autoxers?
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TypeSlow
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05/17/2004 8:55 PM
    What are some good tips for FWD autoxers?
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    05/18/2004 1:45 AM
    Brake, turn, accelerate: there are three different moves.
    Make a smoth transition between each of them.
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    05/18/2004 2:05 AM
    Give up and build a show car. That's what I'm doing.
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    05/18/2004 2:14 AM
    squid - thanks...i guess i gotta be more smooth, i am pretty agressive on the course

    teamslow - i rather be doing something with my car than look at it all day
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    05/18/2004 3:20 AM
    [url="http://www.autocross.com/evolution/"]Evolution Autocross school[/URL]

    sign up for an evolution school. they will give you a few tips on autocrossing a FWD car.
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    05/18/2004 8:06 AM
    Right foot down full!
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    05/18/2004 8:10 AM
    [QUOTE]Originally posted by SLUF:
    Right foot down full! [/QUOTE][IMG]http://www.mfavp.com/autox/SIR5-16-04/photos/IMG_6861.JPG[/IMG]
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    05/18/2004 8:50 AM
    try to do one thing at a time, brake in a straight line, then turn then acclerate. Balance, smoothness and looking ahead are the key
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    05/18/2004 10:19 AM
    http://www.mfavp.com/autox/SIR5-16-..._6952.html

    Try this, also. If the cones start chasing your car you know you're doing something right. ;)

    Seriously though, the best general FWD driving tips I have to give anybody are to be patient and attack the course all the time, at the same time. :) Be patient enough to choose your line properly and wait for the right time to get back into the throttle, but when it happens you need to be all over it because you've already given up time waiting for the stupid FWD to stop eating up valuable throttle time.
    mugwump
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    05/18/2004 10:57 AM
    3 words: lift throttle oversteer :)
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    05/18/2004 11:20 AM
    I wish you boys would not use any photoshop on my pictures! I swear I did not hit that pylon!
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    05/18/2004 11:23 AM
    Right, I morphed your head on top of Carl's in that photo.
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    05/18/2004 1:07 PM
    If it was morphed, Carl's torso seems awfully short. :p
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    05/18/2004 2:22 PM
    TypeSlow, now that we have thoroughly screwed this thread up and gotten it somewhat off topic here are a few pointers for you.
    1. Tire pressure-run at least 40 pounds in the front and 35 in the rear if you're relatively new to this till you get the hang of what the car is doing. Look at the front tires after you make a run and check how far over they are rolling in the turns. I bet you can ask some of the more experienced drivers at an event for some advise and they'll happily help you out.
    2. Seat time, seat time, and seat time-just like good sex, can't get enough of it and it WILL MAKE YOU BETTER! Run as many events as the budget allows and ask questions while doing this.
    3. Don't get hung up on modifications to the car at first. Use what you got and learn it! Yes, R-compound tires are faster but you can easily waste a 600-800 dollar set on their first run if you don't know what they are doing or how to adjust your driving style to them.
    4. Did I mention seat time already?
    OK I'm off the soapbox for now. As far as the sex thing I'm not sure what bad sex may be now that I think about it. The gutter king has spoken!
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    05/18/2004 3:08 PM
    [QUOTE]Originally posted by mugwump:
    3 words: lift throttle oversteer :) [/QUOTE]Damm right! I use it on a lot of turns! Havent gotten it down enough to make it work well in a slalom though.
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    05/18/2004 4:08 PM
    LOL
    Bad sex is what you used to have....in the dawn of time..
    TypeSlow
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    05/18/2004 4:54 PM
    Thanks guys.

    I have a good amount of seat time already. I am just looking for some extra tips for FWD only since most autoxers are RWD or AWD.

    I learned tire pressure the hard way, I had way too much in the rear which caused some fun, but time killing oversteer.

    I should smooth out my driving since most people say I drive aggressively. Heh.
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    05/18/2004 8:15 PM
    [QUOTE]Originally posted by TypeSlow:
    most autoxers are RWD or AWD.
    [/QUOTE]LOL! Shyeah.
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    05/19/2004 9:42 PM
    best advice i can give is smooth, smooth, smooth. my approach is to keep my speed up as much as possible, even if it adds a little bit of distance. (i guess the question is: how much distance to trade for speed?) consequently, everyone who rides with me comments on the "e;smoothness."e;

    my reply is that it's easy to be smooth when you're slow.

    in my mazda, it is impossible to put power down unless the wheel is totally straight, so acceleration is tough to come by. but there's plenty of grip, so it seems to work.

    if your car has an LSD, then disregard this and hug those cones! ;)
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    05/20/2004 11:04 PM
    I heard that you should always be either braking hard, turning hard, or accelerating hard. You have just so much traction available, so you divvy it up between the three, based on what you need to do at the time. Feel what the car is telling you. If you drive an underpowered car like me (a G-Stock Neon ACR) you have to keep your speed as long as you can, so drive deep into the corners and trail-brake, using the resulting oversteer to keep you out of the typical FWD understeer. Feel what the car is telling you. I've been working on left-foot braking, but I have a lot to learn. I'm getting the idea that this may be the trick to going fast in an underpowered FWD, though. Oh, and one other thing: Feel what the car is telling you.

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