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Last Post 01/13/2007 1:30 PM by  Bryan S
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mugwump
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01/09/2007 12:00 PM

    Not for me but for my parents.  As they've been asking me I realized I don't know that much about the latest offerings for normal people and the my advice of, "get something in BRG or STi pink" is falling on deaf ears so.....

     My dad had a '93 4runner which he loved but it got totaled out by a newer 4runner, which took the hit far worse and has my dad concerned.  He had Jeeps since before I was born as he needs a sturdy 4x4 with seating for 4 plus equipment for his field work.  When the last Jeep died, he was unimpressed with the yuppie-fication that they had gone through which is why he went with the Toyota.  Basically, he needs an SUV with 4wd (preferably hi/lo) which from the dealer can handle some nasty "roads".  He will also drive it until it dies, so reliablity and strength are top priorities.

    My mom on the other hand barely drives at all but wants to trade in her '00 Legacy on something with a better turning radius and shorter length but still wants AWD.  She doesn't want an Impreza and I can't think of many AWD cars in the US market that are smaller than that.  Maybe the new Suzuki?  I'm hesitant about her getting a first model year car and all the potential problems associated with such.  She's curious about an AWD mini, but it doesn't seem slated for production yet.  Oh, the car needs to be a little sporty as well.

    For both, there is no firm price limit that I know of but suggestions need to be realistic so figure below or near $30k.

     Thanks all!

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    01/09/2007 12:51 PM

    Toyota FJ?

    High & Low trans.  4WD 6 Speed Manual.  LSD in the rear.

    4x4 starts at 23k

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    01/09/2007 1:36 PM

    Xterra?

    Your mom seems to be a more difficult case. [;)] The Audi A4 looks fairly small.

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    01/09/2007 1:52 PM
    [quote user="Reto"]

    Xterra?

    Your mom seems to be a more difficult case. [;)] The Audi A4 looks fairly small.

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    Just to prove your point, I forgot to mention she would prefer not to have a German car [;)]

    The Xterra off-road could work though as could the FJ, though the lack of normal rear doors/cargo space may be an issue.  For the off-roaders on here, do they hold up decently well?

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    01/09/2007 5:11 PM
    the FJ has fancy suicide doors and plenty of space for gear, but fitting 4 people in it might not be the most comfortable choice as the rear seats seem fairly small.  As for the off-roading ability of it, I've heard good things in that Toyota built it really well for that.  Perhaps a double cab Tacoma?
    Oversteer is when you hit the wall with the back of the car, understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car, horsepower is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take it with you.
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    01/09/2007 5:25 PM
    A Tahoe out of the question? I love mine, and it handles Jude's front lawn without even an inkling of struggle
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    01/09/2007 6:57 PM

    A Tahoe is probably too big.

     I doubt my dad would go for a truck, even though the deliniation between them and SUV's continues to shrink.

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    01/09/2007 7:04 PM

    New four door Wrangler, seats 4, room for stuff and a cool new roof.

    FJ's rear seats are tight and it only takes Premium unleaded[8-)] 

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    01/10/2007 9:13 AM
    I have a Nissan Frontier, same as the Xterra. It has factory ltd slip rear and is quite impressive off road. I don't have any serious mud tires on it. The only bad point is the gas mileage isn't great. 15 around town and 17.5 on the highway. Other than that, I love it and I know it will last a couple hundres thousand miles like my Mazda did.
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    01/10/2007 6:12 PM

    Jeff,

     Land Rover LR2 (new this year) and the LR3 are out of the dealer prime to go 4X4s.  Don't need trail ratings will go where trails aren't rated.   Both my Rovers have over 100,000 miles and still kick.   A Disco in Columbia Jeep Club is used for getting the jeeps out of the mud.

    Your Mom might check out the Jag X-Type comes AWD and a little smaller than the Fusion.  The Ford 500 comes AWD and lots room inside.

    LR2 priced in $30s, X-type $28+, Ford 500 $25+

     St. Louis Car Show Jan. 25 & 26th at America Center (Dome) Go to Schnucks and get $2.00 off tickets for those nights only.

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    01/10/2007 11:03 PM

    Smaller AWD cars for your mom - Toyota Matrix (aka euro Corolla/RunX) comes in AWD. Not sure if it falls into "smaller than Impreza" category. But you'll have to find an '06 model because Toyota cancelled the AWD option for '07.

    Olga's new Mazda CX-7 is a bit shorter than our Outback and got a surprisingly small turning radius. Much, much smaller than huge Legacy/Outback one. Of course, it's a first year model, it takes only Premium gas and if you're not careful with your right foot,  (as in trying to beat Chicago-St. Louis speed record) you can easily see 11-12 mpg. Normal driving will get you low 20s around town and 24-25 on highway. But it feels sporty thanks to the mild turbo rush 2500 rpm and up.

     
    Oh, and newer cars usually fare much worse than older models in accidents - controlled crumpling dissipates crash energy so the passengers will fare better. I couldn't find EuroNCAP results for current 4runner, but Nissan Pathfinder (that is supposed to be similar in size and off-road capability) scored 4 out of 5 in passenger protection - an impressive result for an SUV.

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    01/11/2007 8:49 AM

    While pretty much an Imprezza, she should try a Forester XT. It only seems big. I'm always amazed when I pull up to a light next to a new Mustang and pretty much look eye to eye with the 'Nag driver. The XT is great in the city, easy to parrell park on Pershing Ave. and not too bad in poor coinditions. I recently went to a project site after three days of rain. Drove in the wrong entrance and into quite a bit of mud. If I hadn't been a bit late already I would have stayed "lost" for a bit longer as it was great fun. 

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    01/11/2007 10:01 AM

    The Forester XT is definitely an angle I plan on working [:D]  Even a lesser Forester would be a good choice for her IMHO.  We'll see if I can convince her of that.

    The CX-7 isn't something I had thought of but you bring up good points, Paul.  I'll talk to her about it.

    As for the Matrix and Ford 500, I just don't think they make the 'sporty' cut.  As it stands, she complains that the Legacy is too slow.

    Larry, thanks for the head's up on the new Rover.  That sounds promising.

    I need to read more about this 4-door Wrangler as well [:)]

    Thanks all for the great suggestions thus far!  Keep 'em coming!

     

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    01/11/2007 1:18 PM

    Volvo S40 comes awd and might be fun.  not too pricey either.  Lexus IS250 & Infiniti G35 come awd might be had less than 30k, but maybe too big? 

    I think you should trick her into a Saab 9-2X

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    01/11/2007 9:00 PM
    If anybody is going to the St. Louis Car Show at the America Center the 25-26, stop by Schnuck's Counter (not check lanes ) and get your $2.00 off free tickets.  Get as many as you need, remember parking is free too, just get your ticket validated before you enter show.
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    01/12/2007 12:15 AM

    [quote user="Larry Kronemeyer"]get your $2.00 off free tickets.  Get as many as you need.[/quote]

    $2 off a free ticket... Interesting, that mean they give you money back?

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    01/13/2007 1:30 PM

    [quote user="Larry Kronemeyer"]If anybody is going to the St. Louis Car Show at the America Center the 25-26, stop by Schnuck's Counter (not check lanes ) and get your $2.00 off free tickets.  Get as many as you need, remember parking is free too, just get your ticket validated before you enter show.[/quote]

    I'll remember to do that. With Metrolink a block and a half from home that will be my transportation of choice.

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